Comments on: Girl Geeks get their knickers in a twist about cleavage http://bethgranter.com/blog/2008/10/girl-geeks-get-their-knickers-in-a-twist-about-cleavage/ Social media, online communities, interface design, ethics and feminism Fri, 11 May 2012 05:11:01 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3 By: Brent Champeau http://bethgranter.com/blog/2008/10/girl-geeks-get-their-knickers-in-a-twist-about-cleavage/comment-page-1/#comment-67876 Brent Champeau Mon, 23 Apr 2012 06:49:03 +0000 http://bethgranter.wordpress.com/?p=136#comment-67876 Is it not nice to say " Thanks a great deal " to acquire a wonderful publish ? Is it not nice to say ” Thanks a great deal ” to acquire a wonderful publish ?

]]> By: Wardell http://bethgranter.com/blog/2008/10/girl-geeks-get-their-knickers-in-a-twist-about-cleavage/comment-page-1/#comment-269 Wardell Wed, 10 Dec 2008 10:31:33 +0000 http://bethgranter.wordpress.com/?p=136#comment-269 Very interesting post, I'd have to agree with your view on the provided stats. On the issues of "Cleavage Girl" I don't think a woman should be forced to hide her sexuality in the workplace as long as she is dressing within the guideline set for both men and women. I also think it's wrong to assume a woman is objectifying herself because she shows a hint of femininity, as long as shes not acting in a manner which compromises her job integrity I don't see a problem. On the flip side of your cultural reference topless women were seen as common and nonchalant as topless men in many cultures before western influence came along. In the end I think it's all about fairness and equality if women have to cover up from head to toe then men should to, maybe one day we'll get to the point where so many people don't view a woman's breast as something so unforgivable. Very interesting post, I’d have to agree with your view on the provided stats. On the issues of “Cleavage Girl” I don’t think a woman should be forced to hide her sexuality in the workplace as long as she is dressing within the guideline set for both men and women. I also think it’s wrong to assume a woman is objectifying herself because she shows a hint of femininity, as long as shes not acting in a manner which compromises her job integrity I don’t see a problem. On the flip side of your cultural reference topless women were seen as common and nonchalant as topless men in many cultures before western influence came along. In the end I think it’s all about fairness and equality if women have to cover up from head to toe then men should to, maybe one day we’ll get to the point where so many people don’t view a woman’s breast as something so unforgivable.

]]> By: Beth Granter http://bethgranter.com/blog/2008/10/girl-geeks-get-their-knickers-in-a-twist-about-cleavage/comment-page-1/#comment-268 Beth Granter Wed, 15 Oct 2008 15:51:43 +0000 http://bethgranter.wordpress.com/?p=136#comment-268 Hi Elizabeth - thanks for the clarification - that's why I was confused on that point, so I'm glad to hear I'd understood the statistics. In terms of getting men to work flexibly, I think the biggest change we should all be campaigning for is to make paternity leave equal to maternity leave, to give male-female couples a fairer choice when deciding who will stay home to look after the baby. Also this will make employing a woman no more financially risky than taking on a man. I have actually spoken to a small business owner who will not take on recently married young women because he couldn't afford to pay maternity leave. Hi Elizabeth – thanks for the clarification – that’s why I was confused on that point, so I’m glad to hear I’d understood the statistics.

In terms of getting men to work flexibly, I think the biggest change we should all be campaigning for is to make paternity leave equal to maternity leave, to give male-female couples a fairer choice when deciding who will stay home to look after the baby. Also this will make employing a woman no more financially risky than taking on a man. I have actually spoken to a small business owner who will not take on recently married young women because he couldn’t afford to pay maternity leave.

]]> By: Tim Jarvis http://bethgranter.com/blog/2008/10/girl-geeks-get-their-knickers-in-a-twist-about-cleavage/comment-page-1/#comment-267 Tim Jarvis Mon, 13 Oct 2008 21:38:37 +0000 http://bethgranter.wordpress.com/?p=136#comment-267 Nice post Beth, sounds like a very interesting meet. Nice post Beth, sounds like a very interesting meet.

]]> By: Cleavage Geek? at Lady Geek http://bethgranter.com/blog/2008/10/girl-geeks-get-their-knickers-in-a-twist-about-cleavage/comment-page-1/#comment-266 Cleavage Geek? at Lady Geek Mon, 13 Oct 2008 10:35:58 +0000 http://bethgranter.wordpress.com/?p=136#comment-266 [...] issue came quickly to authenticity and being yourself. One woman said that the female technologist might just want to be herself. For her, this might mean to show [...] [...] issue came quickly to authenticity and being yourself. One woman said that the female technologist might just want to be herself. For her, this might mean to show [...]

]]> By: Elisabeth Kelan http://bethgranter.com/blog/2008/10/girl-geeks-get-their-knickers-in-a-twist-about-cleavage/comment-page-1/#comment-265 Elisabeth Kelan Sun, 12 Oct 2008 16:24:20 +0000 http://bethgranter.wordpress.com/?p=136#comment-265 Just a point of clarification: I did not mean to suggest that women don't need flexible working. The figures I quoted rather show the opposite: something is happening that keeps women with children away from organisational leadership positions and this is despite of the fact that almost all companies in the UK offer flexible working. What we found is that the uptake of flexible working is highly stigmatised for men and for women. The only way to change that is to get men to work flexibly too. This would reduce the stigma of the ‘mommy track’. Just a point of clarification: I did not mean to suggest that women don’t need flexible working. The figures I quoted rather show the opposite: something is happening that keeps women with children away from organisational leadership positions and this is despite of the fact that almost all companies in the UK offer flexible working. What we found is that the uptake of flexible working is highly stigmatised for men and for women. The only way to change that is to get men to work flexibly too. This would reduce the stigma of the ‘mommy track’.

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